Arcades - Forces for Good or Evil? - Obviously building arcades are architectural features, not forces for or against anything. But with the final batch of the initial text amendments to the new downtown development codes coming to the City Commission next Monday (January 23), the arcade issue has taken center stage, and a huge amount of emotional energy has been generated over whether or not they should be allowed.
For the record, I don't have a preference as to whether any particular building should or shouldn't have an arcade. Since I'm neither architect, planner, or urban designer that's probably for the best, as my role in this is purely professional and purely process-related, and not to advance my personal preference anyway. Toward that end, I would like to make a few points about this arcade discussion in advance of Monday's meeting, because I believe what is most important is that an objective discussion be held that deals with real issues, and I'm not sure to date that has been happening.
Much of the opposition I have heard to arcades, and a large number of petition signatures that have been generated, spring from a drawing that has been widely circulated by the Save Our Sarasota organization that purports to depict what downtown Sarasota might become should arcades not be stricken from the menu of architectural options in the downtown code. I know this because I have seen the petitions, and know that a large number of the correspondents on the issue have specifically referenced this picture. (Note: a representative of SOS has asked me to point out that the bulk of their signatures were collected before this particular rendering existed.)
In my opinion, this rendering is no more an accurate representation of any even remotely probable outcome for Sarasota, should arcades be adopted, than a picture of Times Square on New Years Eve would be. At the most simple level, I don't know of anywhere in Sarasota where rows of identical buildings exits, so I don't know why that would ever happen in the future. Of course there are more assumptions than that in the rendering process, but my point would be that to use that drawing as a platform from which to conduct the public policy discussion on arcades is just not intellectually honest, and that is fromwhere much of the opposition seems to be derived. I had this conversation with representatives of SOS, nice people all, but they seem to stand by their drawing. I certainly can't argue it's effectiveness in getting people stirred up!
There is also an assumption being made that the only way arcades could be allowed to encroach on the public right-of-way is for the resultant developable air space to be given away to the developer. The consequence of this assumption is that the only way to cure this is to prohibit the arcade in the first place. Of course there are other options; if such an arcade provided a good design solution for a particular project, the encroachment could be granted, and value back to the city could be required. That could be cash payment based on value, yet this option hasn't been a part of any discussion I have been aware of.
Finally, I'm told that some of the architectural community has weighed in that these features should be banned. What I don't understand is why the same group, or a subset of that group, that has argued so consistently that there should be no prescriptive inclusions or exclusions related to design or building form, would also argue that this particular option should be banned as opposed to not required, but allowed if and where it makes sense.
As I said before, I have no personal affinity for arcades. I do have an affinity for objective analysis, and decision making that considers all available options and solutions. It is in that spirit I offer these comments. Now I can only hope that all of that Anti-Arcade energy doesn't start chasing me around as well!
For the record, I don't have a preference as to whether any particular building should or shouldn't have an arcade. Since I'm neither architect, planner, or urban designer that's probably for the best, as my role in this is purely professional and purely process-related, and not to advance my personal preference anyway. Toward that end, I would like to make a few points about this arcade discussion in advance of Monday's meeting, because I believe what is most important is that an objective discussion be held that deals with real issues, and I'm not sure to date that has been happening.
Much of the opposition I have heard to arcades, and a large number of petition signatures that have been generated, spring from a drawing that has been widely circulated by the Save Our Sarasota organization that purports to depict what downtown Sarasota might become should arcades not be stricken from the menu of architectural options in the downtown code. I know this because I have seen the petitions, and know that a large number of the correspondents on the issue have specifically referenced this picture. (Note: a representative of SOS has asked me to point out that the bulk of their signatures were collected before this particular rendering existed.)
In my opinion, this rendering is no more an accurate representation of any even remotely probable outcome for Sarasota, should arcades be adopted, than a picture of Times Square on New Years Eve would be. At the most simple level, I don't know of anywhere in Sarasota where rows of identical buildings exits, so I don't know why that would ever happen in the future. Of course there are more assumptions than that in the rendering process, but my point would be that to use that drawing as a platform from which to conduct the public policy discussion on arcades is just not intellectually honest, and that is fromwhere much of the opposition seems to be derived. I had this conversation with representatives of SOS, nice people all, but they seem to stand by their drawing. I certainly can't argue it's effectiveness in getting people stirred up!
There is also an assumption being made that the only way arcades could be allowed to encroach on the public right-of-way is for the resultant developable air space to be given away to the developer. The consequence of this assumption is that the only way to cure this is to prohibit the arcade in the first place. Of course there are other options; if such an arcade provided a good design solution for a particular project, the encroachment could be granted, and value back to the city could be required. That could be cash payment based on value, yet this option hasn't been a part of any discussion I have been aware of.
Finally, I'm told that some of the architectural community has weighed in that these features should be banned. What I don't understand is why the same group, or a subset of that group, that has argued so consistently that there should be no prescriptive inclusions or exclusions related to design or building form, would also argue that this particular option should be banned as opposed to not required, but allowed if and where it makes sense.
As I said before, I have no personal affinity for arcades. I do have an affinity for objective analysis, and decision making that considers all available options and solutions. It is in that spirit I offer these comments. Now I can only hope that all of that Anti-Arcade energy doesn't start chasing me around as well!
42 Comments:
Hey Mike, I have a question and concern about the City web site. I've noticed that the main splash page (the one that comes up first) has not been update in a long time. There are dated stories from September, May, January 8, etc. It is also not very user friendly. I've visited many other City web sites and THEY ARE DYNAMITE, EXCITING, USER FRIENDLY, visual, mobile, easy to get around. We have an unbelievable skyline now, and great visuals...this should be the focus of our web pages. We need to sell the city and I'm sorry to say, that we have not been doing a very good job of it. Just surf the net and compare.....we are the best and should look that way. Just a thought. Thanks
I pasted this from your Meanest City post. Maybe the City Commissioners are right about your management style. If you don't like it, you censor it. I do have a question, why is it that no one (Police Chiefs and City Mangers) care about bad police officers? Not now, not ever. Why would you want a police officer on your force who has such contempt and hatred for a segment of your citizens? I hope if I ever become homeless (unlike your crude joke about it), I never come in contact with Officer Gorevan. I'm sure he would be of no help. Not only does he have contempt and hatred for the homeless, his letter to the editor even slams the advocates who work hard for this segment of our population every day. What a jerk. I still say he missed his Sensitivity Training.
Michael McNees said...
Notice of Comment Editing! I have for the first time deleted one of the (non-spam) posted comments on this blog. A personal attack was made on a city employee, and that's not what this blog is about. (Unless of course someone attacks me, in which case I always leave those posted.) If someone wants to challenge that employees's point of view on an issue, that is welcomed, but since I make the rules here, that kind of personal attack is out.
18/1/06 11:02 AM
Dear Anonymous - I censored your post because it was a personal attack. If you would like to advance an idea or express a point of view, feel free to do so. You may want to pull out your dictionary and look up the word "civil", it's one with which you may be unfamiliar.
I am happy to leave your comment on the blog at this point, and let the readers decide whether the 2004 SPD Officer of the Year or someone who makes cowardly, anonymous personal attacks is the "jerk".
Dear 3:46pm, I would like to see you put on a badge and go out and do the work that Sgt. Gorevan does everyday. He may have had a bump in the road, but who hasin't? Have you? His bump does not cancel out the many years of dedicated service of this community, not only as a street cop but as a detective as well. Believe me, if Chief Abbott has a problem with Sgt. Gorevan or any other SPD officer it is dealt with. Just check his track record since he's been here. If you really want to know about the homless issue and what it means to this city, contact one of the SPD officers that has the data,contact the Chief or go on a ride along.(Sgt. Gorevan) You will get an eye opener when you see what real problems these so-called homeless people cause.
Way to go Mike, Thanks for backing us up.
Believe me Sir, if you were in trouble I bet you sure would be glad to see Sgt. Gorevan coming around the corner.
No one wants us around until they need us. The people of this city have no clue about the outstanding police force they have here.
Dear Mike,
In the spirit of objective analysis and decision-making that you refer to in your most recent blog post on arcades:
If you listen objectively to what SOS, architects, the public, and your own city Planning Board are saying, you will hear an objection to “arcades as currently permitted in the downtown code.” Proponents of arcades, as well as you in your recent blog posting, are choosing to depict this as an all out attack on the concept of arcades. It is not so.
As currently permitted in the downtown code, arcades are an incentive, so described by the city, and the additional buildable air space given developers above the city side walk is, in most cases, so valuable (millions of dollars in many scenarios) that developers will be hard pressed not to go for the arcade option. This would be why one would envision higher than expected use of arcades and more homogeneous downtown development than formerly.
As for the controversial graphic of a built out downtown, which, by the way, was produced by a highly respected professional who prepares such graphics for clients nationally and internationally, perhaps it has been referred to in some of the letters the city has received. However, it did not generate the signatures on the petitions that were just delivered to you. The petition signatures were all gathered before that graphic was produced.
I know this because I prepared the spreadsheet accompanying the signatures and offered to do so out of concern that we verify the signatures came from affected parties rather than someone’s aunt in Decatur. I know petitions are sometimes suspect. I can assure you after looking over these petitions in detail, that they are an authentic reflection of deep concerns on the part of the citizens you and the commissioners represent.
It surprises me that the graphic has become an issue, since developers, in presentations to the city and in advertisements, routinely produce graphics that in no way represent the final product and I have never seen a comment from you on this. I would submit to you that the SOS graphic is a much more accurate prediction of a future downtown than most of the renderings produced for development projects.
I do believe it important that you correct, on your blog, the allegation that the SOS graphic produced the petition signatures and that you convey this information to the commissioners.
Thank you.
Gretchen - Thanks for your comments. I agree that many are objecting, as you say, to “arcades as currently permitted in the downtown code.” What I have pointed out is that there are other options besides banning arcades completely to overcome that issue. Maybe banning them is the correct outcome, but why would there be objection to looking at all the available options?
As far as the rendering goes, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I have personally been a number of places where petitions were being circulated attached to a copy of that particular picture. I saw for myself a booth at the Saturday Farmer's Market set up for that purpose that prominently featured the rendering. I am certain that signers are very sincere - but I have spoken to many whose concern is based specifically on the future represented by that drawing, which again in my opinion is not representative of any reasonably probable outcome.
To 19/1/06 11:27 PM - Thanks for speaking up. I do disagree with one thing you said - I think overall the people of Sarasota have a great appreciation for the quality of the Sarasota Police Department and the individual officers and support professionals that make it what it is. There are always critics (believe it or not, I'm criticized a bit from time to time myself) but overall SPD is very well respected in the community, and everyone in the department can take pride in that.
And all the way back to 19/1/06 2:54 PM - Sorry, you were overtaken a little there - No argument from me on the website, I look at other city sites as well. Look for improvements this year; a new webmaster's position has been added on the City Auditor and Clerk's side of the house, and we know the level of quality they bring to things.
The signatures on the petition just received by the City Commissioners are the same as the ones received by the Planning Board for their September 28 meeting. At that time the graphic had not been prepared.
I believe you were the first to be shown that graphic...at an October 12th meeting with Janice Green.
The graphic was displayed later at the Farmer's Market and the SOS people who were working at the Farmer's Market tell me the signature sheet you saw attached was for persons to leave their e-mail addresses if they wished to receive e-mails from SOS.
Some asked if there was something they could sign and were told that petition signatures were no longer being collected. Should you wish to verify this, I can provide you with telephone numbers of the people staffing the booths.
I do understand how you might have seen the graphic on display and thought the signatures on the petition were the result of that graphic (about which we choose to disagree.) They were not.
I continue to hope you will clarify this with those who read your blog and with the commissioners.
Gretchen - you already have!
This is not addressing the arcades but I was wondering what the status is of the City Hall Renovation. I notice Tony Fico's name as a contact. Is he the representative from PDI and is the PDI contract still in effect for this project? Is this a "green" building project and what types and percent of total construction dollars and materials meeting sustainable or "green" building standards will or have been used? Thank you.
Mr McNees,
The "subset" of architects you're referring to happen to be the Gulf Coast AIA Governmental Affairs Committee- a sanctioned group of professionals that speak for the AIA's interests on these issues. They have opposed the design codes for the simple reason that they will not improve the level or quality of architecture currently being proposed or constructed and actually eliminate true design to the extent that anything outside your prescriptive dictates would have to be reviewed and approved by staff- thus introducing a level of bureaucratic review (read extra time and expense) that you have eliminated for buildings that adhere to your checklist.
The city has continually insisted the prescibed syntax is style neutral- you might want to tell Mr. Duany what the party line is. In his meeting with the architects he unabashadly said it was "traditional" in its requirements (read more of the same schlock currently being constructed or completed)- kitsch was actually his description.
Finally the arcade issue- I have seen the image you're referring to that the SOS people have shown around, and am familiar with the group that produced it. Your criticisms of this method of visualization is no different than the images developers produce that the city buys into on a regular basis. If you believe this SOS image is not valid, I would have to point out how many times we have been subjected to romantic renderings of developments that bear no resemblance to the reality of them when they're built- this is often referred to in the business as "eyewash", and the city buys into it everytime when the developers are the source. That image that the SOS group has shown to various individuals, groups and even you was not intended to be commentary on aesthetics to the degree that "all the buildings look the same", but to the scale and massing impact that such an allowance could produce. This is not the first time you have heard about these issues. You might recall back in 2002, when the State AIA convention was held in Sarasota, that their was a design charette held by architects from all over the state- and some outside the state- not just a local "subset"- investigating the impct of the design codes and the arcade issue. At the conclusion they unanimously voiced their opposition and concerns that the scale and massing could destroy the ambience of Main Street. I say this because you, the Planning Director, and another Planning Department representative were present at the charette when these comments were made- and yet you have never acknowledged them in public- or on this Blog. The architects- professionals that are formally trained to understand these issues- remain concerned that the issues being considered by the Commissioners can and will have serious consequences if approved. I hardly think their opinions should not bear a tremendous amount of weight when consideration is given to the physical implications of our built environment.
Michael McNees said...
Wow, that's quite a lot to respond to. First, I've always understood and respected the AIA's point of view. I have great respect for the members as indivisuals. I'm not sure what form the public acknowledgement that we were at the presentation you mentioned is supposed to take, but consider it given here.
What I said was that I didn't understand the same people who were arguing against design standards also arguing to ban arcades, which are one of the available design or form options. There may be a great explanation that I just haven't heard, but it seems logically inconsistent to me.
As far as the SOS rendering goes, I hold to my original position, although I have been somewat amazed how important it seems to be to some that I retreat. It is simply what I believe, and that belief was reinforced by direct conversations with the primary proponents of the drawing as a communication tool.
I would challenge you to show me what "eyewash" the city has bought into in some negative way. Every single project that I am aware of that is going up downtown so far looks exactly like the early drawings that were presented to the city, give or take a color or some other small detail here and there.
Finally, one of the most popular pastimes here has become to quote Mr. Duany, without a complete context to support a particular point of view. I heard all of the conversations you're referring to, and I think there is a great deal more to the story. Either way the commissioners will weigh all of this valuable input and make decisions on Monday. Wherever that goes, I hope everyone will remember that everyone involved in this discussion, on every side, is a human being working toward what they believe to be the very best for the city. I mention this only because this is one of those high-emotion issues, and it's one of my crusades to keep these issues from becoming personal, however passionate they may be.
I have one question, that I really have been looking for an answer to in a sincere way, and it is this: In our downtown core, given that there have never been design standards, what commercial or mixed-use building would one point to as examples of the type of high-quality, creative design you believe the "standards" would make more difficult?
The answer to that one is quite easy- the Herald Tribune building. Mr Taylor of the Planing Department has already confirmed it previously.
Do the 100 Central renderings used by the developer to present to the Commissioners show that big hunk of concrete porte cochere out in the middle of Central Avenue?
Joe - Thanks for weighing in, and signing your name!
I agree about the H-T building, that's the only one I could think of. There's surely been plenty of interest there.
Finally, as far as I can recall (it's been over 3 years) that awning/entrance was on the drawings. I know that the earliest drawings were of fewer stories, and were later modified as the proposal was modified. Aside from that the actual building looks just like the rendering, which was visible in a city hall conference room for some time.
Hi Mike,
Sorry to come back to this issue again, but I do not think it appropriate that the lead post on the city manager's blog about an issue that is to be deliberated upon by the commission in two days contains inaccurate information.
Most people will read your original post and not take the time to read through ten comments before they realize this.
A few weeks ago when the SOS blog picked up incorrect information from a newspaper article and the editor was informed that it was inaccurate, there immediately was a new post on the SOS web-site that said: "We also looked twice when we read that original statement. What kind of a statement is that? [As you can see in the comments, it was a mis-quote. We have modified this post to make sure that everyone understands that it was a mis-quote.]"
I hope you will afford SOS the same consideration and print a correction within your original blog post or in a new post. As you hyave expressed, and I heartily agree, we are all good people who care about doing what is best for this city. Being sure we all have accurate information is crucial to this process.
Gretchen - It's done, see above. I really am a bit confused though about your point, because I was approached personally and asked to sign an anti-arcade petition and shown that rendering as the reason why I should sign. Either way, it's absolutely a side issue.
So, if you thought of the HT building, why did you ask the question? Hoping I wouldn't have an answer for you and you wouldn't have to acknowledge that good design is about to be hampered by the city's desire for mediocrity?
I asked the question to find out what other people think, I already know what I think. I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, though I would be interested in what other examples there are that would be pre-2004, as the recently changed zoning had been in place for more that 40 years as I understand it.
My questions are not attempts to manipulate the conversation to a particular point of view, if you've followed this blog I think that would be obvious. I will be happy to acknowledge things that I believe, your statement doesn't happen to be one of those things. And "the city's desire for mediocrity"? If you'd have listened to any of the points being made along the way, agree or not you would know that the philosophy of the standards is to DISALLOW mediocity or poor design but allow for the exceptional. You have made it clear that you disagree with that philosphy, but to say the city wants mediocrity is just demonizing the oppposition. Maybe you should run for congress!
The point is this Mr. McNees- and it is you that seems to not be listening- as it has been said many times over by any number of professionals both local and state wide, along with Mr. Duany himself. That is that these standards you so vehemently claim will not lead to quality design, but in fact create mor mediocrity. That is because the language being considered is an architectural language of the lowest common denominator- one that takes no talent or creativity to meet. Any number of buildings both pre 2004 up till now could easily- or substantially- meet this code and still be allowed- which only reinforces my point, and one you seem to acknowledge as well since you have little confidence in their architectural merits.
You asked for an example of exceptional architecture that would not be allowed if these codes were inacted, and upon given one (one that you claim you already thought of yourself)had no further discussion- only agreement to the point- which ultimately validates the architect's arguments all along.
And as for Congress, I'm sorry to say Mr. City Manager that such a declarative gesture was mean spirited and a defensive attempt to short circuit a discussion that you clearly do not have the apptitude for. I'll pass on Congress-
You asked for an example
Comment about arcades : check out the italian city of Bologna, fairly narrow streets, buildings of at least 6-7 stories high, and the whole city is one continuous arcade, outside terraces (restaurants, coffees, ice cream parlors, vendors, fun, safe, dry... there is no more wind than in the imagination of those who do not want those arcades. Enjoyable, a good place for boutiques and shoppers alike. How big is the crowd during summer rains/heat in Sarasota on Main Street? Depicting a somber future will ridicule those who have never set foot outside our beautiful city.
To Anonymous 22/1/06 3:35 PM - Vehemently? Clearly we are not having a dialogue, so I yield to your superior "apptitude". You win, I concede.
Anna, thanks for bringing a new point of view to the discussion.
Re Ms. Gervais' comment:
Take a look at 1350 Main...the type of arcades envisioned for Sarasota...and imagine if there will be a rich social life beneath those arcades.
We love Bologna and its rich medieval, Renaissance and baroque heritage. Will/could that be recreated here...of course not.
As for the tall buildings...look at this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Bologna
It is sad that the people against the thought of arcades only look to 1350 Main Street as a negative. Until that building is done, we will not know the wonderful feeling it may or may not bring to downtown. I see it as a positive and see many enjoying walking under the protection of the arcade. This is Florida with unbearable temperatures, just look at the past few days...85 in January! I never enjoy the hot sun when I am trying to dine, shop or see a play, movie, ballet - hot sun is when I am in my bathing suite and I do not wear that on Main Street. I would enjoy a city with some protections as I do when I visit many great cities.
I am very disappointed in the continued lack of acceptance that we are in a city that will change, just as it has been doing for the past 80 years.
I hope the commission does not fold on the allowance of archades!!
The greatest european city all have arcades.. Believe me the streets are much narrower than here. SOS and the person who prepared this rendering should open their mind, travel and listen around them rather than focussing on the fact that they feel developers are stealing away from them the air that's above the street.
I am just wondering how beneficial these reactions, compaints, frustrations, behaviors and negativity have been for this city and this country.
What kind of people built this city and this country?
Let's think and move ahead rather than always wanting to go back, slow down, oppose to the change. Let's be creative, let's be ambitious.
Let's follow the path of the people who made our history what it is.
Last evening it was a real shame the City Commission could not see past all the public histeria and voted out the arcades. They could have keep it in the code and looked at it as a case by case option and this would have at least allowed possibilities.
It is amazing how you can get a group of people sturred up over false information and then get the commission to be swayed.
This commission is a disgrace and it will be amazing if this city is able to grow up to be all we want it to be.
We need new young blood at the commission table.
Does the City Commission only listen to the crowds that show up and not use common sense?
How narrow can your view be to eliminate arcades?
considering the city just took away huge amounts of property rights already it is hard to understand that the options to allow arcades with buildable space over the side walk an incentive. It may have been an incentive not to file a lawsuite against the city but now they removed even that.
I vote for new views by voting in some young educated business people that have traveled outside Sarasota.
Any suggestions? There has to be better leaders.
You should start with the City Manager.
You are right the city manager is a great manager but I was talking about the City Commission that make the policy decisions. The Commission is so all over the table it is a wonder anything gets done. It is a great dissapointment that they cannot keep options on the table that could be of great benefit to everyone. Yet, they pursue huge projects like Pineapple Square.
Another paste about the Meanest City thread and the Editorial in the SHT written by Officer Gorevan. Here it is, it is from 1/19/06 11:27 p.m..
Way to go Mike, Thanks for backing us up.
Believe me Sir, if you were in trouble I bet you sure would be glad to see Sgt. Gorevan coming around the corner.
No one wants us around until they need us.
Won't don't you understand? You sound like an officer, so I assume you're smart? OF COURSE, the City Manager would be glad to see Sgt. Gorevan if he were in trouble. The City Manager is a mentally stable, white guy, with money! Much to his advantage, since you guys sound like you have it in for the homeless, the poor and the mentally unstable. I find it appalling that Police Officers and our City Manager are condoning the letter that Sgt. Gorvan wrote. Sgt. Gorevan should have known better then to let his true colors show. All I can say is if you need help and you're not like our City Manger, and Sgt. Gorevan shows up, you better hope you can find a free phone and call 911!
Thanks for calling me "mentally stable". That's a nicer comment than I sometimes get. Beyond that, you're taking some liberties with what I've said. I made no comment whatsoever about Sgt. Gorevan's letter to the Herald Tribune. If I had a comment to make, I would not make it here.
My original post may have gotten lost in the shuffle. I was wondering about the status of the CH Renobation and if PDI is still under contract in light of seeing Tony Fico as a contact. Also, any "green building" material information available as to percent of construction materials?
Thanks for the gentle reminder that I hadn't gotten back on your questions. Tony Fico was doing some work for the city as a part time contract employee, we did not engage PDI. Things like carpeting, paint, and lighting all contained green elements in their specifications. You can get detailed information if you wish by contacting the General Services Department at 951-3620.
What a disappointment it was to learn the City Commission voted against arcades as an incentive for buildings within the city core. I heard many spoke against arcades, stating that they are no other place in Florida. Since when are we trying to be mainstream? We had and still have an oportunity to go beyond what is obvious and typical for other cities. I have high hopes for this city I live in and pray the people that cannot except diversity and some things that may feel uncomfortable at this time, do not rule. I hope the Commission can slow down and stop limiting our city and its potential.
I hope that nothing is final in this city (regarding votes on arcades).It might alleviate parking issues down-town since walking, strolling, in shade and protected from the elements is a pleasant passtime. Maybe I went too far (Italy), what about coming back to Sarasota's own Ringling Museum of Arts and it's arcades?.... Mr Ringling was very aware of our climate and took it in consideration when building the museum.
The amazing possibility that we have to design an architecturally sound and elegant environnement for our city does not happen often.
Let's take advantage of it!
The quality of life is what attracts people to our city, a Main Street available, "rain or shine" would most certainly be an asset.
There are many examples of arcades in this area…Trail Plaza, the Publix shopping center on University Parkway…actually, most suburban shopping malls. Hardly what I would want for downtown Sarasota.
The beautiful Ringling Museum arcades work because they are built around a large, sunny central courtyard, with a sweeping view down to the bay, not on narrow downtown streets. And…they don’t have four stories of habitable space built above them, blocking out sunlight. That’s too big a loss in return for protection from sun and rain.
Please understand, no one was against arcades in principle…be they the Ringling Museum or Palm Avenue arcades or the Bologna porticoes. The objection was to the type of arcades, with building in the space above, to be permitted in the new city code on our narrow downtown streets. I am grateful that the City Commissioners voted to eliminate them.
I have to comment on the opinions written by Gretchen Serrie. First, how can anyone proffess such knowledge of the future of our city with arcades? Since when should we be making sure our streets are wide to accomodate the cars? What would be the loss of tightening up our corridors in downtown with habitable space and arcades? Most do not even know what that would be like unless they travel to many countries and experience many cities.
Our city deserves to not be cookie cutter with the small minds dominating this conversation as if obsessed with getting their way.
I hope the city wakes up to a broader view and options to make our city different and progressive. Stop limiting our potential with being scared.
1350 Main Street is not awful as many are trying to make it. Our City Mayor Servian is going to be living in it.
I hope the city continues on the path it was taking, which is great and allows arcades, habitable space, parking garages and less room for the automobiles by making the side walks bigger and removing some street parking.
Downtown should not be St. Armands but better and more unique and intimate.
Aside from two or three months a year, I hate to have the sun on me when walking around downtown. We would have a much better and pleasant atmosphere if there was shade and covering and no, that is not just trees, that would be awnings, arcades, whatever. The more the better in a downtown. It is a small area we are talking about, it is not the suburbs.
It is incorrect to assert that the Herald Tribune Building could not be built under the new code. What should be stated is that it would not be permitted by right but would require adjustements (which are allowed)that would go before the Planning Board. The purpose of this is that the City would not want every building along Main Street to follow this form as it would take away from the pedestrian experience. However, in my reading of the code this type of architecture could be examined on a case by case basis. In fact, if memory serves me this analysis was included in the original staff report for the project, which demonstrated the flexibility of the code to allow modern architecture.
Recently those who supported the elimination of arcades over public spaces from the city code have variously been characterized as: histrionic, rabble-rousers, small minded, obsessed with getting their own way, untravelled, and not well educated.
Question: Do these categorizations refer only to the members of the public who exercised their rights as citizens to attend and speak at a City Commission meeting? Or do they also include the Gulf Coast Chapter of the American Institute of Architects Government Affairs Committee, the Sarasota Architectural Foundation, and the architects from all over Florida who took part in a charrette on the Sarasota Downtown Code, all of which recommended elimination of arcades over public spaces from the city code? Or the members of the Planning Board who unanimously voted to recommend elimination of said arcades from the code?
Certainly civil discussion of arcades should be continued. Would that the operative words would be “civil” and “discussion.” And, as a first step toward civil, as Joe Moraca suggests…why be anonymous?
There you go again Gretchen, and you know I agree with you and Joe. I think people would be much less inclined to attack if they were using their names. I still prefer to let people decide for themselves, and have noticed that more people seem to be posting with at least a first name.
This civility/demonization of enemies debate is playing out all over. Watching the State of the Union address the other night, and watching the two polarized sides of the room bob up and down I wanted to yell "would you people please show some leadership! All of America is watching you!!"
Passion in the debate is great, but personalization, polarization, and "litmus tests" are just getting really old, at least to me.
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